Raise the Hammer

Same bullshit comment, slightly re-worded. It's high time humpty dumpty fell off the wall.

I want to hear him say, "Yes, it's acceptable for them to pay a hundred grand to run a theatre in an abandoned warehouse they renovated themselves" or "No, it's not acceptable and X is what I'm going to do about it." Anything else is just noise.

A number of companies and individuals have worked with myself and the system and are doing very well.

In Ward 3??

I want to hear him say, "Yes, it's acceptable for them to pay a hundred grand to run a theatre in an abandoned warehouse they renovated themselves"

Try two hundred.

@highwater

The city says a few thousand, RTH's article's number is $200k. Seems fair to split the difference on a guess. :P

Either way, $waytoomuchmoney.00

The dollar figures outlined in the RTH Article were provided to the Pearl Company in a letter provided by the City Manager upon our request to detail the financial liabilities that would accrue to us should we enter the re-zoning process.

Gary Santucci

"A number of companies and individuals have worked with myself and the system and are doing very well."

What companies are you speaking of? The ones who make contributions to your campaign? But wait none of your contributors are in Ward 3.

The following is an excerpt from January 15 minutes of 2009 accepted into the record for the Economic Planning and Development Committee. You will see that the ECDEV committee recommended that Councillors McHattie, Bratina and Morelli meet with us to find solution. To date only Councillors Bratina and McHattie have taken an active role with us and we appreciate their efforts to date. As of today's date we have never met with Councillor Morelli concerning our project. He has chosen only to be kept informed of the situation by staff.


Gary Santucci


Excerpt ECDEV Minutes Jan 15 2009

(i)

Barbara Milne, respecting waiving of planning application fees for 16
Steven Street (Delegation approved by Committee December 4, 2007) (Item
6.1)

Barbara Milne and Gary Santucci addressed Committee regarding this issue.
Additional handouts were provided to the Committee. Mr. Santucci provided
additional background to the establishment of the Pearl Company, and the
difficulties experienced with lending institutions. He explained the positive
benefits of the enterprise, for the immediate area and for the Arts Community as
a whole.

Committee discussed the matter in detail and had additional information supplied
by staff. Staff explained the current situation regarding the property, the
precedent which would be set by waiving application fees and the possibility that
the required zoning application might not be supportable.

On a Motion (Pearson/Bratina), Committee received the delegation and agreed
that Councillors McHattie, Bratina, and Morelli, together with the applicants and
staff, would discuss ways of addressing the issues respecting the matter, and
report back to Committee thereafter.

A number of companies and individuals have worked with myself and the system and are doing very well.

I looked at his website and facebook pages to see if I could see any indication of who he could mean.

All I could see within his "likes" were non-profits and a few local initiatives and the Heart of the Hammer and I would hardly consider them to be doing well. I can see a photo that shows that the waitress is a good friend of his.

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-05 13:59:08

"A number of companies and individuals have worked with myself and the system and are doing very well"?
Is he refering to one of the "legitimate businessmens clubs" that operate in the area? They appear, indeed to be doing very well.
The question is this: what does "working with myself and the system" actually mean. I think Bernie M has something in common with the prostitution industry: The more you pay the better he gets.

Isn't that how it works in the old country?

You shake hands....

IF Bernie had the heart of ward 3 in his mind the problems would not be that great and the peal would not be closing or would more places close up but if you are his friend then he will help out just like the Heart of the Hammer.

Bernie’s like of non-profits should be evident as several of his campaign signs are prominently located on group homes and group home operators in Ward 3.

Enjoy his Facebook site while you can, I’ve heard he’s been ‘un-friending’ Ward 3 residents that have shown support for other candidates. Last I checked he was still the councillor for all Ward 3 residents, but I guess he’s just confirming what was always suspected.

There are different classes of people in Ward; Bernie’s people and everyone else.

can anyone confirm if Festival of Friends is leaving Gage Park? Is it in Ward 3 or 4??

It's in Ward 3 and I heard that it will be at the Ancaster Fairgrounds next year. Morelli won't rest until all artists and artists' venues are chased out of his ward.

"if you are his friend then he will help out just like the Heart of the Hammer"

What does that mean? Are you saying he's helping Heart of the Hammer succeed out of preference? Though with the Pearl Company gone, won't they be the only arts venue left in the Ward? With Bernie's track record, won't that make them his next target or are they getting something out of this together? The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-05 17:44:35

Yes Jason, I have heard that the Festival of Friends is leaving for Ancaster. Once again a Morelli fail. Time for change in Ward 3. We need a councilor who actively supports the Arts! I will be unable to get to the Festival when it moves to Ancaster :-( I only have access to public transit.

Comment edited by omro on 2010-10-05 19:18:20

I copied this from another thread and it's right on. A 20 year councillor should be able to stand on his reputation, you can't. "A number of companies and individuals have worked with myself and the system and are doing very well." Go ahead Bernie, name them.

I suppose the city lawyers defending your taxi-gate incident are doing quite well. At the taxpayers expense of course. How is it that no information is available regarding this? Why hasn't it been discussed or questioned?


Mr Morelli, I just received your postcard and want to address each of your points.

• Preservation of our neighbourhood environment. No thank you. I want my neighbourhood to improve. I’m tired of drug dealers and prostitutes. Really tired, and so are my neighbours. I recall you said at a meeting that prostitution is not illegal, and we should lobby our MP. Do you really expect me to believe that nothing can be done about it at the city level? I’m sick of children having to walk by the illegal social clubs that line the major streets. Shouldn’t they be looked after with proper bylaw enforcement?

• Proactive property standards enforcement. Mr. Morelli, my neighbours and I were laughing about the identical letter you sent to each of us complimenting us on the improvements we each had done on our property. Even the neighbour with a ton of garbage on his front porch for the 2 last years got one. On your way to city hall each morning as you drive along King St, do you not notice the trash bags sitting on the sidewalk for days on end, or the graffiti, or the discarded mattresses and furniture, or the weeds growing vigorously in the city’s flower boxes? Has it ever occurred to you to call someone in the appropriate department and have it dealt with? You do drive along King St. don’t you? And how about all of those vacant industrial lands? But, that’s another letter in itself.

• Eradication of illegal multiple units. Really? This ward became a dumping ground for group homes and illegal multi-units on your watch sir. And now, after 19 years in office, you say you’re going to do something about it? Why should anyone believe you? You haven’t been effective previously, why would you change now? What do you propose to do with all of the tenants? Does your Stadium plan include low rental housing for the Ivor Wynne site? Well does it? The ward already has the makings of a ghetto. How many illegal mult-units are there? You don’t even know, so why do you care now?

• Responsive policing and safe neighbourhoods. Mr. Morelli, responsive policing has nothing to do with you, it has everything to do with the police department. It wasn’t anything you did while you served as Chair of the Police Board, so how do you propose to do anything now? Regarding safe neighbourhoods, please refer to the above comments regarding drugs, prostitutes and so called social clubs.

• Seniors, children & working families. So what exactly is your concern with seniors, children and working families? Mr. Morelli, have you read the Code Red study articles published by the Spec? All that was heard from you regarding was…nothing. That’s correct a resounding silence. The seniors don’t live as long in this ward as they do in others. I heard you were in favour of closing Birge Park, is that how you support children? By removing their neighbourhood park? There would be more working families, if there were jobs and opportunities. Seniors, children and working families, kind of tugs at the heartstrings (like apple pie and mom). So exactly what have you done to support these during your past term? An effective 19 year incumbent councillor should be able to run on his record of accomplishments. It’s the ineffective ones that run on promises of what they’ll do in the future. It seems to me you are doing a lot of promising.

So, Santucci what's Morelli's beef with you?

I have been researching the Heart of the Hammer, I have found out that the owner "is active with the South Sherman Hub and the South Stipeley Neighbourhood Association." which explains the Morelli support, as the neighborhood associations members are well known Morelli supporters. I guess they don't agree with political impartiality. The word on the street is that they definitely have a beef with Tetley.

Too much of a co-incidence in my mind. Pearl company goes down, the Heart of the Hammer gets to be the Arts venue and actually have people come inside the place. Always looks dead when I've gone past. Perhaps that's the success Morelli speaks of ;-)

FYI. This comment is a perfect reason why as a reader of this fine website you shouldn't put too much weight behind the some of the comments made here.

"I have been researching the Heart of the Hammer, I have found out that the owner "is active with the South Sherman Hub and the South Stipeley Neighbourhood Association." which explains the Morelli support, as the neighborhood associations members are well known Morelli supporters. I guess they don't agree with political impartiality. The word on the street is that they definitely have a beef with Tetley."

PAUL TETLEY IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTH STIPELY NEIGHBOURHOOD ASSOCIATION!

I realize that many commenters here are trying to build support for Paul Tetley. But speculation and innnuendo like this and some of the other comments is hurting and not helping!

Not sure where you're getting your facts from.

Paul Tetley resigned from the South Stipeley Neighbourhood Association in March before declaring his candidacy.

The current head of the South Stipeley Neighbourhood Association is Mike Hooper.

This is from the South Stipeley Neighborhood Association facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=66...

Mike Hooper, President (Has a big Morelli Sign on his front lawn)
Sarah Martin, Secretary
Gail McGinnis, Director
Rebecca Doll (Toronto, ON), Director (Owns Heart of the Hammer)
Don Grunsten, Director

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10...

In the photo: Rebecca Doll, Mike Hooper & Bernie Morelli inside the Heart of the Hammer.

Comment edited by omro on 2010-10-06 08:53:41

I realize that many commenters here are trying to build support for Paul Tetley. But speculation and innnuendo like this and some of the other comments is hurting and not helping!

I've met Morelli, Gibson and McGrimmond. None of them will be getting my vote. I hope to meet Tetley, DiMillo and Black soon.

My interest is exposing the lies and facts about people that are being hidden or forgotten, such as Gibson's restraining order. Morelli is a questionable character. Look at his responses to the Pearl Company. He's partisan and partial to those who scratch his back. That photo tells a thousand words. Bernie, you look a wreck, retire and top up your tan.

Sorry, I missread the Paul Tetley website. I thought he was still currently the President.

"I have been researching the Heart of the Hammer, I have found out that the owner "is active with the South Sherman Hub and the South Stipeley Neighbourhood Association." which explains the Morelli support, as the neighborhood associations members are well known Morelli supporters. I guess they don't agree with political impartiality. The word on the street is that they definitely have a beef with Tetley."

To Eugene - I'm a little unclear as to what your intention is with this sweeping statement. I would sincerely hope that your research would include actually speaking with some people and gathering ALL of the facts before getting on an internet forum and making accusations. If you had actually met the board of the Stipeley Association, you would find that our mandate is structured around community building initiatives and charitable events. We are NOT a political organization, period. Whatever any member chooses to do politically is up to them, and we as an association do not get involved in that capacity. I'm curious about your remark "word on the street, they definitely have a beef with Tetley". Would you care to elaborate on that? Paul's campaign, successful or otherwise, is not part of the day to day business of the Association. If there is a beef, it is not ours. Obviously we have a very good working relationship with Councillor Morelli, as we would hope to have with ANY Councillor. With the events and initiatives we are engaged in, it makes total sense to be able to have the support of the city to be successful. I would sincerely hope that whoever wins this election would continue that relationship.

I'm aware of the mandate of a neighborhood association. I attend the meetings of mine. Our association does a little more than just community building and charitable events.

I'm also very aware that you and the other board members have very pro-Morelli leanings, which is fine, you're entitled to your personal opinions. However, when there no mix of opinion on the board, which is unrepresentative btw, these leanings will naturally influence the association and the message it puts out, about Morelli and the other candidates. That's a strong and influential voice.

I'm not impressed to hear that those who do not share your opinions are removed from access to the online resources of the association. A neighborhood association needs to include all members of the community, not ostracize those who disagree with the board.

I have friends in that neighborhood and nearby. Of the five names that are listed as part of the board, I've heard three of them in association with "Tetley bashing". One friend said that she felt really uncomfortable with what was being said.

I don't want Morelli to win Ward 3, his time is done and and new alder-person is needed. That said I'm finding the Tetley/Santuci tactics on RTH sickening. Others who don't agree with your 'vision' of things don't deserve the innuendo and smear tactics I've seen with increasing frequency.

When this election started I was genuinely excited about about what I saw on Paul Tetley's web site, I thought here's the person to make change for the better. That good will is completely gone. The pettiness and meanness displayed by Tetley/Santucci and his supporters makes me think another 4 years of Bernie might be a better outcome. Is Gary Santucci the official campaign manager for Tetley or just his unofficial manager? What favours will Paul Tetley owe Gary Santucci if he wins the ward? How is this different than the current arrangements, a business owner supporting a candidate to incur some debt of favours?

That's a very interesting statement. You've written off the other four challengers in Ward 3? Any reason why?

When have I written off 4 challengers in Ward 3. I'm not voting Brad Clark and I shared the response record I got from my inquiries with the 3 non-incumbents on a thread titled, "Responsiveness To Questions Varies Widely Among Candidates" I really do not understand what you are talking about EugeneM.

I'm sorry... I'm not seeing your Tetley/Santucci connect?

Eugene I'm afraid I cannot comment on the operations of any other neighborhood associations, as i can only comment on what I am involved with. It's abundantly clear to me that you have an axe to grind with us, and for that I am sorry. I'm at a loss at how you connect words like "unrepresentative" and "influential", when the activities we have participated in are free bicycles for children, alley garbage clean-ups, neighborhood bbq's, etc. As I have stated over and over again, we are not a political organization. If a person, group or otherwise has something that we are in a position to help them with, then we help. If we can't, we do everything we can to facilitate the request through contacts in the city to get them the help they need. Access to our on-line resources have the same rules of conduct that you would find anywhere else. When our members become objects of threats, or have their personal e-mail & facebook accounts attacked, then yes I will restrict access from those offenders. It would be irresponsible for me not to react to that. It is truly upsetting that you wish to drag us into this smear campaign. Our volunteers have put a great deal of effort in any way they can into helping the community, and simply stated, that is their only interest. To vilify and falsely accuse people as you have done on here is discouraging to say the least. It's a great way to say thank you to people dedicated to helping on their own time. Well done.

makes me think another 4 years of Bernie might be a better outcome

That writes off the other 4 challengers

Mr Janitor

What tactics are you referring to specifically and I would be happy to answer them. Mr janitor come out from the shadows and engage the public directly. Be involved in the political process. I offered to meet with you face to face to discuss any concerns that you may have. Choose your candidate and work for that candidate in public view as we are doing. Challenge us, challenge me in public. I will meet anytime anywhere for a debate on the issues that affect our city. Stand up for your views before the public. Many others are standing up why aren't you? Do you have something to hide? Who is councillor Morelli beholden to? Check out his 2006 campaign contributions on Tetley's Website.

Gary Santucci

By the Way Mr Janitor

I never post with an "alias"

Gary Santucci

EugeneM,

My confusion, I was thinking Ward 9, my apologies.

No, I am not writing off the other candidates, I certainly state with clarity in the first sentence that I do not want Bernie to win. By saying I would actually prefer Bernie after seeing things in the Tetley campaign I do not like, I am sharing my incredible disappointment with Tetley's tactics. There are other candidates that are worthy contenders.

MHooper - I'm standing up for a friend who would never be able to threaten or harrass anyone via email. How she was treated, for not agreeing with the board, I object to.

MrJanitor - what tactics are you refering to? He sent an email to a city staffer asking for clarification on something and got a weak response. That says so much about our city hall that we should be more ashamed of that, than the person who brought it to public attention.

Santucci - what is your relationship with Tetley? And what is your beef with Morelli or his with you?

Eugene M

Since you asked; Paul Tetley and his wife are tremendous supporters of the arts in Hamilton. They have become great fans of what we do here and would like to see us survive. Councillor Morelli and I have a cordial relationship. We have known each other for many years and have never had any cross words between us. In fact my father used to pick up Bernie's brother and take him to play baseball with the rest of us, as kids growing up in the east end of Hamilton. Mayor Fred was also on some of those teams. If Bernie Morelli has beef with me personally I am not aware of it, perhaps you can ask him directly. I don't agree with his politics something that we are free to do in a democracy. I hope this helps.

Gary Santucci

Thanks Gary. When I ask about "his beef" with you, I was meaning Morelli's unwillingness to help your cause. Surely helping you, helps the area within the Ward?

I've been to the Pearl a few times. It's a very easy walk from my house. One of the issues, parking seems petty at best on the part of the city. I know buildings downtown which have no parking and yet have no issues with the city. I've seen the area around the Pearl building improve over time, though it needs a lot more improvement in my opinion. I don't see why people would wish to see your company fail.

Are you asking for government money? If so, I would see your issues in a totally different light. A failing business should not ask a government to prop them up. I would object to this. The same way I object to the city subsidizing the failing business that is the Ti-Cats and the same way I object to the province subsidizing GM and Chrysler.

Would your business be failing if this zoning issue had never happened?

MrJanitor does raise a valid point, which your responses to him and me don't answer

Is Gary Santucci the official campaign manager for Tetley or just his unofficial manager? What favours will Paul Tetley owe Gary Santucci if he wins the ward? How is this different than the current arrangements, a business owner supporting a candidate to incur some debt of favours?

EugeneM

You have made an assumption that our business is failing. Our mortgage and commercial taxes are paid up to date. Entering into a punitive regime of fees as outlined in many RTH articles would sink us. We continue to hold events; now over 400 in total, 125 Art Bus excursions and over 14,000.00 visitors. Performers from across Canada continue to see us as the best concert venue in Hamilton. We are able to operate the Pearl Company because we live here as well having combined our residence and our work into one overhead. I am a resident and business owner in Ward 3 where members of my family have resided since 1919. Paul Tetley is running his own campaign. He has several people advising him. I am just one of the group. I have personally delivered postcards to every door in the Ward. When elected Paul Tetley will owe the residents the best possible representation based on his stated platform. The Pearl Company has not received government funding of any kind, and we do not intend to seek any.

Gary Santucci

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply your business was failing. But it is useful to know that without the ongoing battles with the city, your business would be profitable, pays taxes and isn't asking for hand-outs.

I do wish to be assured, as has been raised, that you are not funding Tetley and will not be given preferential treatment should he win the vote.

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-08 17:57:38

Eugene

If you have a concern, then the appropriate course of action would be to contact the association directly. As I stated before; I question your motives when you use a thread about the Pearl Company's situation as an opportunity to smear us as some political lobby group. What were you hoping to accomplish? I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but the activities we are pursuing have absolutely no connection to this election or it's candidates. Instead of taking "what you heard", or read about, or saw "when walking by", take the time to meet some of the people that you have stereotyped. You might actually be pleasantly surprised.

the appropriate course of action would be to contact the association directly

She did raise her concerns and was blocked via online means and made to feel uncomfortable and insignificant in person.

This thread is about Morelli and his biases. Morelli's supporters, such as the board members of your association and any bias towards one and not the other is part of that bias.

Eugene, we conduct charitable, community building events. Did it not occur to you that it might be possible that this attack might be "sour grapes' from someone who wanted us to become a political organization? This kind of slander is getting out of hand. The only restrictions to our on-line resources have been put in place as a result of the infractions I posted earlier. I find it troubling that you can take whatever you heard and turn it into a public slander without gathering all of the facts. I think your level of integrity is quite clear.

With regards to your bias remark, why won't you answer my question? As a non-political group, how are you making a connection of bias?

MHooper, you waded into this thread. Your choice!

In your above post you used the term slander not once, but twice. Will you commment on the libelous statement by a Director of your organization that was posted on Facebook last week that started with; "Tetley is an ass", and went downhill from there...

Bias is quite easy for me to explain. When all of the members of your board are pro-Morelli then there is a natural bias against all the other candidates.

As for sour grapes on the part of my friend, I think not. She told me of her experiences just in general conversation with me. It has been entirely my choice to bring them to light here.

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-09 23:55:26

Whether your association is political or not, the board members are well known and influential within the community and it is often hard to distinguish where their private opinions and association opinions begin and end and their vocal pro-Morelli leanings carry a lot of weight and were I a candidate, no matter who, I would be concerned about the pressure that can put people under.

To "Beupfront" - A bit of irony in your alias, no? As a matter of fact, I will not comment on ANY persons facebook account, or what they do on their personal time. If it doesn't come up as Association business, what would you like me to do? In case you need some assistance with your comprehension of this thread, I would offer this: Slander is to publically defame someone with something that is not true. And that is clearly happening here.

To Eugene - I can appreciate the questions you raise, but I'm offended by your tactics to get answers. I've been asked and answered to many times to count, but how influential can we be if we are not engaging in anything other than these community events? I suppose we should be flattered that you think we wield some heavy political axe, but for the last time, you're barking up the wrong tree.
About this very concern though, I am shocked you haven't looked into the Santucci/Tetley question a little more. Allow me to enlighten you on some facts:
1. Gary Santucci - Vice Chair - Lansdale Neighborhood Association
2. Gary Santucci - Owner, Pearl Company (also home to many Lansdale meetings)
3. Paul Tetley - Ward 3 Candidate 4. Funraiser for Tetley hosted by the Pearl Company 5. Tetley is a former member of the Stipeley Assn'

Eugene, I'm sorry you have such a one-sided negative view about us, and it's a shame that you have elected to nurture a conflict rather than get all of the facts. We as a group don't have a horse in this race; just a desire to be able to work with ANY Councillor for our ward. Again, my message to ALL candidates would be to try and communicate with EVERYONE. We all have a voice, we can all vote, and we are all a part of this city.

MHooper Mike Hooper?

This is to set the record straight.

1. Prior to my public declaration of support for Paul Tetley, I stepped down as Vice-Chair of LANA so that I would not compromise the Association. This fact is in our minutes.

2. It is true that the Pearl Company has hosted many LANA meetings as Barbara and I are founding members. We provide our space at no cost to the Association. MHooper you have also attended a LANA meeting at the Pearl Company as a guest.

3.The Tetley campaign paid for the rental of our space for the Tom Wilson Fundraiser as any other user of our space.


Gary Santucci

Could not the same be said of your association, Morelli and Heart of the Hammer?

I only have an axe to grind over how my friend was treated, which I have stated already.

Gary, I should point out that I have no conflict with your relationship in this campaign. I have no doubt that you took all of the prudent steps to pursue your goals. Yes, I have come as a guest to one of your meetings, and for that I thank you for welcoming me there. My reply was to simply point out the a glaring difference that Eugene refuses to acknowledge.

To whit: > Whether your association is political or not, the board members are well known and influential within the community and it is often hard to distinguish where their private opinions and association opinions begin and end and their vocal pro-Morelli leanings carry a lot of weight and were I a candidate, no matter who, I would be concerned about the pressure that can put people under.< As posted by Eugene.

There is no debate here; the South Stipeley Association just doesn't play a role in this election in the way it has been described on this thread. THAT is my only reason to be posting here.

Comment edited by MHooper on 2010-10-10 19:40:32

You have made an assumption that our business is failing. Our mortgage and commercial taxes are paid up to date. Entering into a punitive regime of fees as outlined in many RTH articles would sink us. We continue to hold events; now over 400 in total, 125 Art Bus excursions and over 14,000.00 visitors. Performers from across Canada continue to see us as the best concert venue in Hamilton. We are able to operate the Pearl Company because we live here as well having combined our residence and our work into one overhead. I am a resident and business owner in Ward 3 where members of my family have resided since 1919. Paul Tetley is running his own campaign. He has several people advising him. I am just one of the group. I have personally delivered postcards to every door in the Ward. When elected Paul Tetley will owe the residents the best possible representation based on his stated platform. The Pearl Company has not received government funding of any kind, and we do not intend to seek any.

Awesome stuff Gary. And to think, all of that activity is happening on Steven St in central Hamilton. Amazing. Without you guys, that would just be another empty building with constant fires, squatters, drugs etc..... Keep up the great work!

The city seems to be working very hard to eliminate the Pearl, but I guess this former industrial site is cool with them - their hands are tied, there's nothing they can do about it. The guy emptied the open top barrel and complied with orders. Just let him have his bucket-fire-bbq meals in peace.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/articl...

Comment edited by seancb on 2010-10-12 09:54:19

I spoke to my friend who lives in the South Stipeley area over the Thanksgiving Weekend. She told me that under Tetley the neighborhood association was involved in laneway cleanups, bylaw infraction reporting, graffiti removal, illegal multiunit reporting, crime prevention, etc as well as having activities for the neighborhood. The current association is seems to be only interested in touchy-feely stuff and nothing proactive. I guess that's why they considered him a vigilante!

Since they blocked her on the facebook group she doesn't know what's really going on in the neighborhood, as the website for the association hasn't been updated in months. They are very inclusive.

I am pretty certain I would rather vote for someone who can be proactive. You can't just improve a neighborhood by hugging the taggers and absentee landlords and drugdealers and pimps.

EugenemM, I've been following this thread for a while now, but have reserved judgement until now. It seems that you really are on the attack to anyone that has a difference of opinion. I am neither for, or against Mr. Tetley's campaign, (I was actually considering voting for him) until I read this futile debate. Your constant conspiracy theories and sinister spins against anyone willing to question, does make Tetley's followers appear hostile. If I were Mr. Tetley I would distance myself from some of these so called supporters.

To be honest, in the real world, I am finding that the Morelli supporters are hostile and hopefully fighting a losing battle. Whoever you choose to vote for, a vote for Morelli is a wasted opportunity.

Bernie, I can't wait to see your remarks after today's council meeting. Did the penny drop? Are you getting it? Did you read the wind blowing in a new direction and you'd do anything to get a vote? Or is it simply that you lack the courage of your convictions?
Will you admit you were wrong?

I can't wait!

Was there a development?

Just so you know, I too am a board member of South Stipely Ass'n and we do not play political games with in the Ass'n. Our concerns are that we make our Neighbourhood truly 'the best place to raise a child'. Therefor all our activities as a board are concerning the needs of the Children and their parents and grandparents!!!
This is our only mandate and the only kind of Neighbourhood Ass'n I would work on.

The conversations above are 'political' and I do not want my membership on the South Stipely Board to be even suggest as political!

I have my own opinions about the 3 candidates. I know all of them have good qualities and want the best for North East Hamilton!
They only differ on how to accomplish this.

Our job is to decide who we want to represent us. I think it is in VERY POOR TASTE to bash any candidate. And I think it is in poor taste for candidates to bash each other.

Can we not run clean campaigns that lets us know what you see the issues as and how you plan to help make this a better place to live?

Therefor all our activities as a board are concerning the needs of the Children and their parents and grandparents!!! This is our only mandate and the only kind of Neighbourhood Ass'n I would work on.

Good to know that you include the single people, childless couples and gay couples in your inclusive mandate.

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-12 21:02:06

EugeneM, once again you have proven yourself to be very petty. Just quit with all the nonsensical grandstanding on this forum. You are unwittingly undermining the very person you are trying to support/represent!

I represent no one and the very fact that you assume that I do actually proves who you support and represent.

I repeat:

Was there a development?

I am new to Hamilton and Ward 3, having moved here this past spring. I have had a chance to observe my new city and I have to say that there is much work that needs to be done. It seems to me that the Pearl Company has been trying to make a big difference, yet they are blocked by a tired and ineffective city council. I have lived in four other cities, all of which have had their challenges but one thing that was common amongst them all; when council leaves the city to rot, then it's time to kick the bums out. I am not advocating for any candidate but I can not say I am in favour of the incumbent. He should have charged to the Pearl Company's rescue long time ago not after the citizens protested and it has become an election issue. I hope the citizens of this ward and the city exercise their rights and send a loud and clear message to those in city hall. On a side note, I don't see the neighbourhood associations doing much either. Holding hands singing "Kumbaya" will not solve the cities woes. Proactive clean up projects would be a good start and might actually make it a decent place for all it's citizens.

I've got a suggestion, regarding the South Stipeley Association. For everyone that feels the board isn't doing enough of the kinds "proactive projects" they would like to see done, why not form one of your own? I'm quite certain it would not be a conflict, especially if it is more action based and less community based. That might just quill the whole argument about what needs to be done. You just can't demand people who volunteer their time to speer head all of the problems in a neighborhood.

@ Playnice: Why doesn't the association do both? Based on what I have read here, it seems that the association is blocking those who want to be more proactive. What is the association so afraid of? Do they have some personal issue with these individuals and egos are coming in the way of bettering our neighbourhood? I get the impression that there are others who want to volunteer but resources are being blocked. Very foolish.

Comment edited by ChrisAllen on 2010-10-12 23:17:16

Thanks ChrisAllen first of all, for making an intelligent argument. My personal take on the matter is that:

1. Volunteer resources are limited and most people who do dedicate themselves don't really want a conflict.

2. Whatever "bad blood" or "sour grapes" that are being projected is just that. You can't please everyone, and the really tragic part of this whole debate is that conspiracy theories have been allowed to muddy the waters.

3. I really believe everyone wants the same things ie safe, friendly, welcoming communities. We all I guess, choose our own paths to get there.

4. My understanding about the "blocked individuals" is that they became threatening and the only responsible decision is to not allow other people to be attacked. Nothing is stopping these "blocked Individuals" from forming their own organization.

I don't have all the answers but I truly believe if we work together with whomever is elected, we can make our neighborhood an even better place to live.

BULLSHIT Playnice I was blocked and I NEVER!!!!!! wrote a thing on the page, I was blocked because of who I associate with!!!!!!!!!!!!

To everyone else sorry for my language but I am tired of this that only threating people are blocked.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think everyone is sick of this whole thread. It's become really counterproductive.

It's not been counterproductive at all.

I've discovered that

That the board of the association are all Morelli supporters and thus promoting his agenda through their influence.

The South Stipeley neighborhood association has blocked more than one person who didn't fit in with their group mindset from the local resources of the association. They have used the excuse of "threatening behavior", which is bizarre when my friend is a little old lady.

The association is exclusionary and wants people to set up alternative groups, rather than acting as an umbrella for all neighborhood issues.

Ultimately, while not entirely in keeping with the topic of the original thread, I would say this has definitely revealed a lot of information.

If I were a candidate running in Ward 3, I would be concerned about these board members, as their influence extends into other local organizations. Look at who was hosting the All Candidates Meeting, the South Sherman Hub, and then read who is their chair and then see the overlap within the South Stipeley Neighborhood Association. No candidate other than Morelli can be guaranteed a fair debate under these circumstances.

No candidate other than Morelli can be guaranteed a fair debate

Bizarre, I said the same thing at lunch!

EugeneM, since there is obviously, no way for me to appease you, or appeal to your logic, I personally find the argument futile and infantile. What can I expect to happen if someone like you were to be in a position of power...round all of us up and put us in a camp?

Message to Paul Tetley.... I wouldn't be letting Eugene 'Help' me anymore if I were you.
Please answer my questions yourself. How would you change the things that need changing in Hamilton East? Surely this campaign is not about the Pearl vs Heart of Hammer? I know you have strong views, I just want to know how you propose to make things better for our neighbourhood!!!

I believe that Eugene does pose a valid question. I don't know if the neighborhood association executive is on this discussion board (my instincts tell me yes, but I do not know for sure). I also do not know for sure if they are Morelli supporters (to that I can not comment, as I do not know one way or another). If they do support Morelli and are hosting the debate, how can any of the other candidates be assured a fair debate? This is a very valid question and a concern to me. I have not yet decided who I will vote for (I have stated that I do not think Morelli has done much for our ward during his tenure. I may be convinced otherwise) and I would like a fair and balanced debate in which all candidates are able to express their views and opinions.

Comment edited by ChrisAllen on 2010-10-13 23:05:12

ChrisAllen, I will reserve some judgement here on your latest post because you have said you are a relatively new resident. Having said that, please don't allow "conspiracy theories" from some hostile individuals undermine a not for profit organization like the South Sherman Hub. I would ask you to do some research first. The individual being attacked here (working as Chair) for SSH is again, a volunteer. The SSH is NOT a political organization and ANY hosted meetings are impartial as is their mandate. There will be a mediator, and everyone in attendance can submit a written question to be presented to the candidate to answer. The South Sherman Hub is a very respected organization, that is asset based, community development. Ward 3 candidates were ASKED if they would like to attend. Please come, and meet all the candidates.

Please answer my questions yourself. How would you change the things that need changing in Hamilton East? Surely this campaign is not about the Pearl vs Heart of Hammer? I know you have strong views, I just want to know how you propose to make things better for our neighbourhood!!!

Gail, you know Paul personally, why don't you send him a message on fb, or phone or email him? I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any of your questions. And in the meantime you can always check out his website. The answer to some of your questions is here: http://www.paultetley.com/change.php.

And now back to the Pearl Company, awesome news:

http://www.900chml.com/Channels/Reg/News...

If the Pearl Company were located in Ward 1, the ward councillor would have made a motion like this long ago. Shame on Morelli for leaving a solution like this up to a councillor from another ward. Ward 3 nearly lost the Pearl. Who knows what else they've lost under Morelli's 20 year tenure. And ward 3'ers really want another 4 years of this?

(hat tip to Steeltown at SSP)

Shame on Morelli for leaving a solution like this up to a councillor from another ward. Ward 3 nearly lost the Pearl. Who knows what else they've lost under Morelli's 20 year tenure. And ward 3'ers really want another 4 years of this?

Here, here!

Morelli should have proposed this motion. He's one of the sheep, not the shepherd. He just votes with the flow.

Time for Change in Ward 3.

Seriously, isn't there other issues going on in ward 3 that need some discussion other than the Pearl Company's battle?

I guess it could be said: Paul Tetley is a puppet and Gary Santucci, the puppet master.

Choose wisely, ward 3

The Pearl is a symbol of what's wrong with this city in general and this ward in particular (I live in Ward 2 btw). When a business owner has to pay $1-200 thousand dollars in fees just to turn an empty warehouse into a thriving arts centre something's SERIOUSLY out of wack. When the councilor says 'meh, there's a process' and hides behind that, something's SERIOUSLY out of wack with the leadership for that ward. I defy ANYONE to defend why a business should have to shell out $1-200 thousand dollars in friggin' fees to turn an empty building into a successful business. And we wonder why smart business goes to other places.

Seriously, isn't there other issues going on in ward 3 that need some discussion other than the Pearl Company's battle?

This is a thread about the Pearl Company. If you don't want to read about it. Don't read this thread. ;-)

Paul Tetley is a puppet

I've known Paul for over a year now. In our very first conversation he mentioned his desire to run for council and make a change in Ward 3. Paul has way too strong a personality to be anyone's puppet.

Choose wisely, ward 3

Definitely, a vote for Morelli is a wasted vote.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here...you know how that works right? It's called democracy.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here

I thought "snookumzs" was in this context. No one responded to the last comment by "playnice", so this comment is out of sequence. I recommend having only one online persona, it makes things easier when commenting ;-)

Comment edited by omro on 2010-10-14 10:32:31

Ryan, glad you found that.

nobrainer,

It's really not as simple as what it appears to be on the surface. If The Pearl had paid $1200 and waited 60 days for community input for a non-conforming legal use BEFORE opening the doors NONE of this acrimony would be happening, NONE. The much sneered at and derided 'Process' allows the people that live in the immediate community a chance to voice concerns when a change to a building's official use is made. It would have also allowed the owners of the building to defend their intentions and plans. It is a two way process when applied AT THE RIGHT TIME allows everyone to state their case, however petty it may seem to others. The citizens of the neighborhood were there first and thus I personally believe have a say and stake in any changes BEFORE they are made. In my eyes the citizens were there first and have a right to be heard. This process however you feel about it was by-passed by the Pearl, they opened before consulting the community in a formal manner. Because the owner of the Pearl were obstinate in not thinking they had to go through the process it has become the hugely expensive zoning change. I think considering the past uses of the Pearl the owners would have had a strong case for a quick approval, the only roadblock being parking which has since been addressed.

I have posted many times on this subject, my issues with the Pearl are not consulting with the local citizens and the following hue and cry by the owners that a great injustice has been done to them. They were aware of the risks, took a chance and lost... stop making this everyone else's problem. Maybe that's harsh but I have yet to hear any admission of any accountability for the horrid, divisive mess this has become from the owners of the Pearl.

Gary,

I use a nick-name here like many others on RTH. Unlike you my goal is not self promotion so please stop patting yourself on the back on your integrity. I only use one name and no others. Just because I don't bow to you and have issues with the acrimony you have created in the city by your lack of accountability in this mess does not mean I am 'hiding in the shadows'. If I have to change my handle here then everyone should only be allowed to use their real names.

mrjanitor, please take Gary up on his invitation before spreading any more misinformation on this issue.

Comment edited by highwater on 2010-10-14 14:02:48

'Highwater'? How can you call yourself 'highwater' if we are not to know who you are? I have looked at Pauls site but I have no idea 'how' he intends to accomplish his goals. Your 'anchient' friend who you have mentioned was blocked from the South Stipely web site because she has been bashing me and others publicly. I'm not really sure if I can trust any of you at this point. This person is the same age as I am by the way so lets not feel too sorry for this poor innocent soul.
I was a Tetley supporter untill I started to hear all the bashing going on around me and I have to wonder if Paul and his crew are out to get people who disagree with them? If I were Paul I would be distancing my self from all you and your 'help'. I am a proud member of the South Stipely Board and I am only swayed by what I experience and see in the people running in ward 3. I see Sean Gibson running a very clean campaign. Bernie Morelli has a great deal of support from many of my friends and neighbours. I have no idea what support Paul has but wish him well. I do wish that Paul's 'friends' were not bashing our board members this is very low!!! It is only our own business who we support, you may be suprised at who this is for many of us. This however is not your business!!!

I haven't mentioned any friend, and I haven't bashed anyone. I have no idea what you are talking about. I only suggested that you contact Paul directly if you have any questions. Not sure where all the paranoia is coming from, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like Tetley is on the receiving end of most of the bashing.

No you didn't, I should have addressed 'Eugene', it was his lady friend. I have never bashed Paul and don't plan to. I don't think it is helpful. Who are you and why don't you use your own name? Do you have something to hide? It isn't paranoia in my case, I have many witnesses to the bashing I have been subject to. I know it was politically motivated and I think it is low. I also think it is low to bash the elected representative in this area, I have not heard Morelli or Gibson bash any of the other candidates or their supporters.

Most commenters on this site and others use a pseudonym and it has nothing to do with having anything to 'hide'. Welcome to the internet. Funny how we only have a problem with anonymity when it's someone we disagree with. At least I've never opened multiple sock puppet accounts.

Oh, and criticizing an incumbent's record during an election isn't 'bashing', it's democracy. Morelli hasn't just been bad for ward 3, he's been bad for the city, so it's everybody's business.

I am not spreading any misinformation.

Be more specific if you are able.
There are many things I would like to see changed too!
I would like ward 3 cleaned up and I would like to NOT to have more than duplexes in our area, 3 to 5 families in one house are too many. We do however need housing for people with low incomes. How are we to keep enough affordable housing in Hamilton? People need to be specific so we know what we are voting for. I too see what is happening and want my friends and myself to have decent affordable housing. I also want to have a safe neighbourhood for my grand daughter to grow up in, how specifically can this be accomplished? I think this type of issue is what is important, more so than the Pearl(which I support)Heart of Hammer(which I support)or even the overgrown hedge at Gage Park which blocks the view of our fountain and allow vandals to damage it unseen! Why are we not talking about the real issues. Doesn't anyone else out there have some issues beside these ones that need attention? How are the candidates supposted to know what is important to us if we just bash different viewpoints and never talk about the IMPORTANT ISSUES?

@Gail: You comments make perfect sense. The candidates should be focusing much more on issues such as cleaner/safer neighbourhoods. Having lived in other cities where urban blight detracted from their potential, the solution was to start fixing the small problems (remove grafitti, enforce grabage bylaws, ensure parks are clean, etc). That halted the decay and started the path which lead to urban renewal. There are many examples of this working in many major cities including New York and Los Angeles. It's called the broken window theory; which roughly states that if you leave a window broken it invited further windows to be broken and further decay. Now I do not want to be accused of supporting anyone as I have only had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Tetley, but he has spoken of this. I do not know if the other candidates have the same opinion, I plan to meet with them and see. I still ask why hasn't the incumbent been forceful about issue this during his tenure?

reading through this really gives me hope for the future of Ward 3.....

(internet sarcasm)

You go away for a few days!

I'm not surprised that playnice, snookumzs and cantweallgetalong are the same person.

playnice - Your constant conspiracy theories and sinister spins

His/her motives are pretty clear. To put across the same viewpoint, appearing to come from multiple accounts, opposing mine and others like mine to influence the undecided into thinking that I'm wrong. Makes me believe that what I was saying was right! They seem to have the same theme to belittle me, claim that there are aggressive, negative tactics employed by Tetley and that this discussion is a waste of time. I know these Jedi mind tricks. Hopefully no weak minded individuals believed these accounts. All in all I'm now convinced that the opposite is true, that there is a negative and aggressive campaign against Tetley being waged by this individual and the people associated with him/her.

I'm surprised that there aren't a few other accounts that are linked to these three.

My first guess would have been MHooper. He/she appears shortly after I'm debating with MHooper. The tone of the posts by MHooper aren't similar enough to his/her.

playnice - It seems that you really are on the attack to anyone that has a difference of opinion.

Is the first comment from him/her meant to reduce the relevance of my opinions to others.

Then I thought that it could have been Gail, as a lot of what her account says seems to echo what he/she says. However, Gail comes across as a little too hysterical compared to the posts of him/her.

However, it seems very clear to me that both MHooper amd Gail know this person.

cantweallgetalong - CCurrie, very well put and from the alliances I've seen on here, very brave too!

Cantweallgetalong pops up to defend CCurrie the same way playnice pops up to defend MHooper. So that means that CCurrie is known by this individual also.

Then I read the single post by againstthemilitia

snookumzs - He doesn't have an 'army of bullying, radical, vigilantes'
againstthemilitia - radical vigilante mentality

snookumsz - a negative campaign is rarely a successful one
againstthemilitia - his entire existence seems to be based on a negative campaign

snookumsz - 'software salesman who throws dog crap at people'
againstthemilitia - a software salesman

playnice - round all of us up and put us in a camp?
Againstthemilitia - Public flogging without a trial? Ignore the legal process?

Sound familiar? Shortly after againstthemilitias one and only post, snookumsz appears to join the debate.

playnice - The individual being attacked here (working as Chair) for SSH is again, a volunteer. The SSH is NOT a political organization and ANY hosted meetings are impartial as is their mandate. There will be a mediator, and everyone in attendance can submit a written question to be presented to the candidate to answer. The South Sherman Hub is a very respected organization, that is asset based, community development.

He/She is defending things too strongly. Which makes me think that he/she is "the individual being attacked here", who knows MHooper, Gail and CCurrie.

My recommendation to the candidates is to make sure you get a neutral and fair discussion at the all candidates meeting, because the South Sherman Hub is not neutral, nor is the South Stipeley Neighborhood Association. Their boards are very pro-Morelli and whether they are acting as individuals or as members of these groups, they will have a lot of influence. They claim not to be political, however the actions of their members clearly are opposite to this claim.

Comment edited by EugeneM on 2010-10-18 14:53:33

Eugene; I'm at a total loss as to why you keep coming after me specifically, and also the Stipeley association. I don't doubt that I know a great deal of people on this thread, including "len123 and Mugrat". Shall I be held to everyones posts? Maybe yours too? I believe you can easily verify my repetitive message from my posts, and the reason for which is simply because it makes no sense to me that a group of generous volunteers are not being fairly treated here, full stop. I have no other interest in this thread.
The only comments I feel compelled to add to this childish thread are these: With regards to the all candidates meeting, it is my understanding that this is a South Sherman Hub Initiative, being moderated by a professional, and overseen by David Derbyshire. I don't know David as a personal relationship, but from what I have experienced with him professionally, I would expect nothing less than the very definition of fairness, integrity and equal opportunity.
Eugene, I, like others, have simply been sharing our charitable efforts so that we can benefit the neighborhood we live in. There never has been any other reason for my involvement here. As an Association, this allows us a greater exposure so that we can reach more neighbors, and benefit more people. I would like to formally invite you to meet with myself, or the entire board, whichever you feel comfortable with. I would further invite you to see for yourself, without reservation, what we are all about.

You couldn't let this thread die could you?

MHooper:

I'm at a total loss as to why you keep coming after me specifically, and also the Stipeley association.

Me:

My first guess would have been MHooper. He/she [playnice/snookumsz/cantweallgetalong] appears shortly after I'm debating with MHooper. The tone of the posts by MHooper aren't similar enough to his/her.

Which makes me think that he/she is "the individual being attacked here", who knows MHooper, Gail and CCurrie.

I wasn't "coming after" you MHooper, I was more curious as to the identity of playnice/snookumsz/cantweallgetalong.

Your decision to rejoin this thread proves my point. You know who this person is! By bringing up David Derbyshire, as a distraction, you have confirmed their identity and again I was right. Thank you.

I would further invite you to see for yourself, without reservation, what we are all about.

I've read enough about what you're all about from various posts from playnice/snookumsz/cantweallgetalong, yourself, Gail and CCurrie. No thanks. I'm glad I do not live in your neighborhood.

Once again:

MHooper:

As an Association, this allows us a greater exposure so that we can reach more neighbors

Me:

My recommendation to the candidates is to make sure you get a neutral and fair discussion at the all candidates meeting, because the South Sherman Hub is not neutral, nor is the South Stipeley Neighborhood Association. Their boards are very pro-Morelli and whether they are acting as individuals or as members of these groups, they will have a lot of influence. They claim not to be political, however the actions of their members clearly are opposite to this claim.