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Finanacially viable?

There are no details of the costs for that site, or how much public funding it will get?

Nor is it known what exacrly what will built there, and where exactly.

Financially viable?

whoa. that site exists completely OUTSIDE of the no-spin zone.

click on 'show your support' and be counted as a supporter, or DON'T and miss their spin. What are they afraid of an honest debate?

We debate it a lot of cfl.ca, TigerCat fans or otherwise.

HamiltonFan - a proud Hamiltonian and proud TigerCat fan and supporter.

Comment edited by HamiltonFan on 2010-07-21 20:25:54

What a f*cking joke. That they have the nerve to use the word 'sustainable' so many times when referring to the most distant, energy intensive site yet proposed. Of course no mention of the future fund or its mandate. NO East Mountain!

notice there is no tally on the number of supporters? (like our city our future has) ...what will this prove? they'll just make up a number anyways

JM

You just have to remember whose finances we're talking about. Modern corporate culture is about short-term gain and getting what you can out of the support from the community. That's the east mountain site.

This is absolutely horrible!! They have no running tally of supporters, which means they can make up ANY NUMBER at all! Pathetic! Show some courage if you're truly up for a grown-up debate, Bob! And at least be original for crying out loud.

However, I basically see 1 of 2 things happening now:

1. The city chooses the EM site, and Hamilton's downtown core is basically a write-off forever. People from the newly formed suburbs will always be too scared to come downtown. And the stereotype that Hamilton is a suburb of Toronto becomes a reality.

2. We get nothing, and we lost this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to restore Hamilton into something we can all be proud of.

Thanks Bob Young, thanks for (probably) destroying the city you claim to love so much.

I just saw an interview with Scott Mitchell on CHCH............ he said "they've been working hard for two years to come up with this site". really?? ...more like two weeks, and it wasn't even their work (thanks to Mr. Fenn).

Let's see how much hard work goes into 2 years of losing money on the EM.

JM

Shouldn't it be called "Their Money, Our Account" ??

"they've been working hard for two years to come up with this site"

It took them two years to set up a wordpress blog? And we're trusting them to know the best way to run the Ticats?

Birdie, I think you'll find when they say they have been working two years on the site, they are talking about the stadium and not the website.

I notice the alleged "secret survey" is readily available on this site in PDF form.

@realitycheck Then how come no one heard of this site until Michael Fenn proposed it just this month?

Take a read of the that "report" from 2003 titled "New Stadium Notion Doesn't Make Sense". Written by a person who hasn't been down to the area I assume. With "reports" like that loaded with inaccurate information and wild hyperbole, no wonder Bob Young is scared.

The Ti-cats website has received some media attention, but I haven't seen anything on CH or in the Spec about OurCityOurFuture Did I just miss it? Have we tried to get some publicity from them?

"I haven't seen anything on CH or in the Spec about OurCityOurFuture".

Well, on my walk to work this morning, I DID see the sign in front of Pan del Sole Bakery on John & Cannon had been changed to read "Yes to WH Pan Am Stadium, No to EM - go to OurCityOurFuture.ca". That made me smile!

EM site design is ugly.

http://YourMoneyOurParkingLot.com

http://YourMoneyOurParkingLot.com

AWESOME!

Ryan - You wrote "The age of suburban stadiums has passed."

If that is true it is a very recent event. The most expensive stadium ever built, Cowboys Stadium is definitely not downtown and it opened just over a year ago. In fact it is in Arlington not Dallas, just down the road from The Ballpark in Arlington. Does this mean that they are both doomed? Or just the city of Dallas? Downtown stadiums can and do work but, suburban stadiums can and do work too. Neither one is a precursor to the apocalypse.

The vast majority of fans get to Ticat games by car so parking is must for it to be viable. Look at the mess around Ivor Wynne on game days. Why create something like that on purpose? We can do better than that.

I'm going to miss that "mess around Ivor Wynne" ....I should at least once try to park on someones lawn before i lose the opportunity to!

JM

looks like they have their supporter count up now, along with a "comment of the day". no full list of supporters yet -- so there is still a lack of transparency.

and i do like how the comment of the day is basically "ticats sponsored us, so we support whatever they want"

"Saturation" I've looked at the East Mtn. Site.It appears to be bounded by the Linc to the north,the Red Hill Express & Home Depot etc. to the east.It then is cutoff on the west side by Hydro property that contains huge towers servicing major lines running north/south thru the region.That leaves pedestrian access to the stadium via the south end only (Stone Church Road).I'm no expert in traffic flow, but that in itself sets off a big red flag.Pedestrian traffic is achieved at Ivor Wynne thru saturation into the surrounding area by at least three of it's four sides. The EAR as its been dubbed does not provide this.This site will be a hazzard to public and fan safety when 25,000 to 35,000,(and more during Grey Cup) are leaving the game, or function all by the exact same exit area within a short time frame.I have no doubt the land will not need any cleaning up as does the west harbour site. But if this is the location identified for the East Mountain then either major highways/ shopping malls, or hydro towers and lines should be moved to make this a suitable location.I know the Cats and City are in a bind for time but remember "Hast makes Waste".

"Saturation" I've looked at the East Mtn. Site.It appears to be bounded by the Linc to the north,the Red Hill Express & Home Depot etc. to the east.It then is cutoff on the west side by Hydro property that contains huge towers servicing major lines running north/south thru the region.That leaves pedestrian access to the stadium via the south end only (Stone Church Road).I'm no expert in traffic flow, but that in itself sets off a big red flag.Pedestrian traffic is achieved at Ivor Wynne thru saturation into the surrounding area by at least three of it's four sides. The EAR as its been dubbed does not provide this.This site will be a hazzard to public and fan safety when 25,000 to 35,000,(and more during Grey Cup) are leaving the game, or function all by the exact same exit area within a short time frame.I have no doubt the land will not need any cleaning up as does the west harbour site. But if this is the location identified for the East Mountain then either major highways/ shopping malls, or hydro towers and lines should be moved to make this a suitable location.I know the Cats and City are in a bind for time but remember "Haste makes Waste".

I'm going to post his here too. A few minutes into this radio interview, the author talks about the folly of allowing teams & owners to select stadium sites. He also later talks about the strange idea of putting NHL teams in the Deep South of the U.S..

(..sigh) An NHL franchise Could have been the new permanent tenant, if our bid had not been rejected! NHL season vs. 8? game CFL season.)

http://www.cbc.ca/q/episodes/

There is a connection between the future fund board and the backers of the most recent proposal to build along B ay st.

The backers of the Bay st condo site are still flying under the Radar with great Effort, I Trust.

Lets go with the East Mountain location-Bob Young is a Hamiltonian too and loves this city. He has taken a bold step to stand his ground against Freddy and his dreamers! I think the city councillors have been caught "assuming" that no one would argue with them. The East Mountain location reminds me of when we had Speedway Park up there and only Highway 20 & Mud st. to get there but we still had drivers from the States come over and the stands were packed. The idea that Bob Young is willing to build an Ampitheatre in the west end is fantastic- it seems to harmonize with the RBG, Bayfront Park and Cootes Paradise. The noise volume would not disturb too many home on the EM either.
I used to live by Ivor Wynne and had to put up with rowy fans after the game and beer bottles thrownand broken on the sidewalks and roads (even cursed at for not setting our driveway up for the games).
How come the City knew before hand that we had lost the Track and Field and didn't even seem to care until the papers got wind of it?
I love thse Tabbys no matter what!!!! Go Bob Young !!!!!