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Timed crosswalk durations should also last at least 160% longer than they are currently, to accommodate the walking speeds of elderly pedestrians.

http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=665681

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Comment edited by administrator Ryan on 2012-12-04 12:36:06

no one's saying two way streets cure all. The effort is to get complete streets.

Where did you pull a one-way/two-way debate from this article? That fight is in your head, and focussing on that fight is holding this city back.

We need to create a livable city. Yes, two way streets are a part of that but nobody is saying they are a cure-all for anything.

Dear admins, Allan Taylor has crawled back out from under his rock.

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Comment edited by administrator Ryan on 2012-12-04 12:35:58

I have written Brian McHattie a number of times about the crosswalk at Main and Dundurn to no avail. It is a death trap by virtue of design. The flashing light turns a solid green the same time the walk signal shows but the cars don't ever stop for pedestrians. The one at King and dundurn is only marginally better. Mr. McHattie says nothing can be done.

The City should place the east west red light cameras from Main and King on the Dundurn left turn lanes to raise some money. Maybe it would cover the inevitable lawsuits they deserve for the poorly planned trafficscape there.

actually that would increase their chance of lawsuits. If it were found by the cameras that accident rates were higher, then the city would be negligently allowing a dangerous situation to persist. All these stopgap measures Ryan rightly laments are likely no more than postures the city makes to reduce their liability when accidents do occur.

The key thing is to demonstrate that the city: 1. knows the risk, and 2. knows that there are solutions but failed to address the risk. So the more articles on either topic the better.

This has lawsuit written all over it. Residents have been asking for a crosswalk light for years, and now someone is killed. Will someone please sue the city over this?

It's unfathomable that with all we know of complete streets, safe neighbourhoods and the economy that is developed around urban, walkable neighbourhoods, that we still allow Clr Ferguson and others put lives at risk so they can save 63 seconds on their drive back to Ancaster. Urban councillors need to publicly wage a huge fight against these selfish politicians who only care about themselves. Enough is enough.

Comment edited by jason on 2012-12-04 16:47:13

Tragic accident. I only hope that if and when they put the crosswalk in it is at the top of the hill. I say this because if it is placed right where she was hit there will be many, many more fatalities and accidents. At thirty kmh in the winter, it is extremely difficult to stop going down that hill let alone 50kmh. Walkable streets yes, but lets be logical about it rather than just throwing in crosswalks for emotional reasons. That stretch of road from Davidson down to Ogilvie should be 4 lanes anyway. The stupidity of building Osler on Governors increased the traffic 100 fold when it could have, should have been built in Veterans Park.

Nothing will happen because it wasn't say a mother pushing an itty bitty baby in a stroller or some cute kids, just an old and hence "invisible" person. Sorry but being a pedestrian in Hamilton brands you as being either poor or odd and that is that. It's why I love walking around central Toronto where pedestrians really are king, I'm sure it's even better in Manhattan.

And now this in Burlington. On the very street that was being considered for a road diet and construction of bike lanes which the community has been all up in arms about. It's tragic that events like these occur on a regular basis, yet the priority of the majority of citizens of our cities is still all about speed and convenience of the motor vehicle. Just what will it take to make safety, especially that of our most vulnerable younger and older citizens, the focus of our efforts?

The plans for 2017 on Governor's call for road widening, yes, 4 lanes to cross instead of three. The intersection they want people to walk to and cross has been the site of at least two fatalities as pedestrians were hit while using the crosswalk. http://tlchamilton.blogspot.ca/2009/12/b... http://governorsroad.blogspot.ca/2008/08... http://tlchamilton.blogspot.ca/2008/11/w...

the sure fire way to get things changed is to piss off the motorist, which would call for a direct action, to bring attention to the problem.

the most egregious bit of blame the pedestrian I have yet seen: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/...

... so, what would the counterpart to SlutWalk be for this? CloakWalk?

... so, what would the counterpart to SlutWalk be for this? CloakWalk?

I was thinking the very same thing :)

Of course, this sort of thing won't gain any traction without an appropriate "Hey, hey, ho, ho ..." chant.

I'm coming up blank so far.

Comment edited by moylek on 2012-12-10 16:59:35

Air horns?

The Burlington tragedy and the Cootes Drive tragedy from years ago, are proof that crosswalks are not the answer. They give a false sense of security that leads innocent people to dangerous situations. The answer is more serious charges against drivers (even though people should go to the corner lights (comment away)) and (sorry to the older folk) make pedestrians walk to the corner. Drivers don't expect people to cross in the middle of the road, it's just stupidity. Sorry, I know this will piss some of you off but I'm one of those that has to pick these poor people up and everyone of them (that survive) admit they were lazy and couldn't be bothered to walk to the nearest corner. The ones who get hit in crosswalks, well, throw the driver in jail and fine them as well, and take the licence away, there is no excuse for it.