The final designs are not yet complete, but the two-way conversion of Wentworth Street should be complete in time for the start of school in September 2016.
By Bob Berberick
Published December 11, 2015
On Monday, October 7, Ward 2 Councillor Jason Farr and Ward 3 Councillor Matthew Green hosted a public information meeting with City staff on the upcoming two-way conversion of Wentworth Street, which City Council recently approved. It was held at the Mission Services building at 196 Wentworth Street North there were approximately 75 people in attendance.
Looking north on Wentworth Street at Delaware (Image Credit: Bob Berberick)
The meeting started out with some naysayers, most of whom were concerned about parking. There was even one person who said that this street has been working for 50 years, and why do we need to change it!
It was stated early in the meeting that this is an information meeting for discussion and questions, and there was a lot of that.
The final designs are not yet complete but this two-way conversion will be happening. If there are no major issues, it is hoped to be complete in time for the start of the school year in September 2016.
The roadway will be two lanes southbound and one lane northbound, with a number of changes to the parking arrangement. There will be some lost parking as a result.
The overhead cross-sections below are marked as follows:
Wentworth Conversion cross-section, Delaware to King
Wentworth Conversion cross-section, Nightingale to Cannon
At Barton Street there will be a slight adjustment for southbound vehicle traffic that will erase the lane shift and add a right-hand turn lane.
City staff are still working on the Main Street intersection, as it is going to be a bit tricky for larger vehicles turning left. There will also be some truck route considerations.
At Delaware Avenue, there is currently a bumpout on the northeast corner. Everyone was surprised to hear that this will not be moved because there is a large hydro installation below it. To move this would cost many times more than the entire project. It's not clear to me how this will be worked out.
Bumpout at Wentworth and Delaware (Image Credit: Bob Berberick)
There were numerous questions about cycling infrastructure and I think that everyone agreed that there really isn't enough room.
What is expected to happen is that when Sanford Avenue is converted to two-way (or maybe before, I'm not sure), that will become the north-south cycling route. There is ample space and low traffic volume on Sanford.
Another concern was in front of Cathedral School, because people will likely be trying to drop of their kids in the only travel lane available. Perhaps a solution can be found off Wilson Street.
The staff information included a table of pros and cons of two-way conversion:
|Efficient road network, improved connectivity||Potential for head-on and angle vehicle collision because of more conflict points|
|Provides direct routes to destinations, improved accessibility (eliminates circuitous travel)||Potential for increased pedestrian collision because of more conflict points|
|Typically lowers speeds and vehicle-kilometers of travel on the street. Less tendencies for speeding||Change in road capacity, therefore possible for increase in congestion|
|Increases access for businesses, more storefront exposure||Reduced opportunity to provide traffic signal synchronization affecting traffic flow|
|May improve the livability and urban experience||Potential turn restrictions at some intersections for larger vehicles|
|Easier way finding. Less confusing for visitors||Impact to on-street parking and loading/unloading. Shift in parking from east to west side may require pedestrians to cross the road. Access to on-street parking on east side, south of Main St., will now require circulation to face northward|
|Improved accommodation for all road users||Conversion Cost: Intersection improvements, traffic signals, pavement markings, signs|
|Potentially less traffic infiltration to nearby Local Roads|
|Transit routing possible in both directions on the same road – easy and convenient access to transit|
By JasonL (registered) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 13:29:18
honestly, this city never learns.
We do not need 2 southbound lanes. Currently the two southbound lanes just simply merge to one near the rail trail crossing and there is NEVER a slowdown or back-up.
If I was a resident there, I'd be fighting this lame TWINO plan from the city.
1-lane each way is all we need, with parking on one side or bike lanes both ways.
Having parking on one side helps the residents, as well as provides space for a left turn lane at signalized intersections.
Part of me hopes Whitehead is successful with his idea to halt all road diets or two-way conversions downtown until we have a complete change-over in staff.
By John Neary (registered) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 13:47:26 in reply to Comment 115612
This. The whole street should look like it looks at Delaware; one lane each way with parking on one or both sides and bumpouts at intersections for ease of pedestrian crossings (or turn lanes at intersections where there is a demonstrated need).
By CharlesBall (registered) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 13:43:10
Hmmm. Less parking. More difficulty at Cathedral. Bottleneck at Delaware. No bike lane. No improved pedestrian environment (arguably worse.)
If two way conversions start causing more problems than they solve, you will quickly see negative reactions.
Spend the money and do it right or don't do it.
Comment edited by CharlesBall on 2015-12-11 13:43:50
By rynan (anonymous) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 14:10:17
"Another concern was in front of Cathedral School, because people will likely be trying to drop of their kids in the only travel lane available." You mean in the No Stopping zones? what else is new. Whatever they do with Delaware & Wentworth corner, got to be better then its now
By Bikehounds (anonymous) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 16:56:53
Why are trucks turning left from Wentworth onto main? I mean other than local traffic... Shouldn't eastbound trucks be on Burlington?
By What a Joke (anonymous) | Posted December 11, 2015 at 18:14:25
This city is sooooo sad. Conversions executed like this have to be designed to encourage people to stop asking for them. Manufactured Sturm and drag at its finest.
By Not the Mountain (anonymous) | Posted December 12, 2015 at 09:38:20
Curious how streets like Wentworth must be configured to allow room for cars to pass each other yet streets like Upper Paradise get the exact opposite treatment.
If only it were just a coincidence.
By JasonL (registered) | Posted December 12, 2015 at 10:15:11 in reply to Comment 115624
the most logical and simple idea for Wentworth is to basically take a cross-section like Concession Street and apply it here. Except only parking on one side, not both. 1 traffic lane each way, and a few parking spots are removed approaching signalized intersections to allow for left-turn lanes. Done.
This street carries WAY less traffic than Concession. Absolutely no reason to have 2 lanes in one direction.
By Had enough (anonymous) | Posted December 12, 2015 at 14:29:37
I live on Wentworth and was at the meeting. I was excited to see it finally go 2 way until I found out it it will be 2 lanes southbound.
What the hell is the point? Now we'll have more traffic with cars coming north because they wont need to take Sanford to come north ant longer. No bike lane..more cars, same speed limits. Ugh.
Maybe good time to sell up.
By JasonL (registered) | Posted December 12, 2015 at 16:44:12 in reply to Comment 115626
exactly right. This plan actually creates MORE traffic for your residential street. Not sure exactly which neighbourhood associations are in this area, but you may want to contact them and share your concerns. The conversion won't be happening until next summer it sounds like, so there's plenty of time for residents to speak up.
Ryan posted the traffic data a few comments above. Keep in mind that a single urban traffic lane is designed to carry 10,000 cars per day. They're going to be giving you two of these lanes southbound, which equals a 20,000 car capacity. Current numbers show a MAX of 4,000 cars per day travelling southbound. Incredibly dangerous and irresponsible for staff to even think of overbuilding this street like this when they know how dangerous our overbuild roadways are with speeding.
By bwaaaaa (anonymous) | Posted December 12, 2015 at 19:35:24 in reply to Comment 115627
Beware the law of untended consequences.
By Idiocy (anonymous) | Posted December 13, 2015 at 14:07:39
What rationale was provided for this kind of street conversion vs. Two lanes each way? Surely their is some reason for this idiocy, is there not?
By the son of Toronto (anonymous) | Posted December 19, 2015 at 15:40:35
This website wants to mess up Hamilton traffic. If you want density city, two ways traffic, subways, streetcar or LRT... Please move to Toronto and enjoy stressful life there.
Let people like me enjoy Hamilton.
By seancb (registered) - website | Posted December 21, 2015 at 08:11:13 in reply to Comment 115736
What street do you live on? I'd like to come enjoy it.
By JasonL (registered) | Posted December 20, 2015 at 14:41:53 in reply to Comment 115736
I personally don't find it enjoyable living in a city with a much higher injury and death rate. If more people are like you, then let's put it as the front cover of our next Globe and Mail insert promoting Hamilton:
"Move to Hamilton. You've got a WAY better chance of being killed by a speeding car driver than in gross Toronto!"
By stone (registered) | Posted December 20, 2015 at 00:05:37
This is a great article about one way vs. two way. Inner city highways are great for the people who want to drive really fast on them, and horrible for everyone else.
Comment edited by stone on 2015-12-20 00:07:22
By Cityboy11 (registered) | Posted August 10, 2016 at 19:01:32
I live on Wentworth St. I own my home. I like the fact that it is becoming two-way again after 45 years. It is long overdue. What I do not like, is the fact that this street with both an elementary school and a high school on it, will not be removed as a truck route during and after this conversion. Companies like Air Liquide and Canadian Tire and several others use this street as a cut through from either Barton or Burlington Sts. Truck traffic should be moved to Wellington southbound and Victoria northbound. The posted regular speed limit should be reduced to 40km/k during regular hours and flashing 30 km/h during school hours. I like to sit out on my porch from time to time, and it affords me the opportunity to watch the trucks swing over three lanes to make the narrow right turn due to the loss of a lane on Cannon St for the bike lanes (which I fully support). I also get to see dozens of cars race past Kathy Wever elementary on their way to miss the lights at Cannon; easily doing 20 or more km/h over the posted 50 km/h limit. I sent these suggestions through to Councillor Matthew Green's email, with not even a response. There are no signs up warning of the impending changeover. No further communication from the City to state that work was beginning or had began. No reminder that parking would be lost in several areas. I don't know about everyone else, but I can't wait to see when they install the bus-sized fan and watch all of the stuff that hits it.
Comment edited by Cityboy11 on 2016-08-10 19:02:58
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