Raise the Hammer

This is great but without more information than what's provided by the Google bubbles somewhat silly. WHY are these locations designated? Without that information, they're simply red dots on a map. I love the direction that things are going here but can't see how it's going to inform us to participate in a debate in it's present state. That said, please keep up the good work going forward one and all!

Agreed.

I'm requesting further information from the City of Hamilton.

The data I recieved was a list of addresses. This is a good first step, but only a first step.

I eventually wish to use the Google Fusion API to power each bubble as a form that people can "claim" their house with. Once claimed, they can add a story and photo to the information about the house.

Well, you have to start somewhere, with red dots on the map. It's only the matrix, it's not the end game--such is the "fluid" nature of the Internet. (It'd be more galling were it on printed page.) At the very least, it gets one thinking...

Is it just me, or does it look as it there's almost no heritage sites on the mountain south of the brow?

if post-war bungalows and box stores ever become heritage sites there will be plenty. lol

Looks like someone got tired of identifying properties south of York Blvd in Strathcona. lol. One of the oldest hoods in Hamilton, but far less homes on the list compared with north of York and south of King. Great map. Nice to see that cluster downtown. We've still got a lot of great buildings worth saving and redeveloping.

Seems, all it takes is having your home on a "Heritage Interest Property" is to have your home on large boulevard, St. Clair.

Too bad for all those with nice, even older and in many cases more significant homes on neighbouring streets. I mean there ia a home on Proctor which has a smaller boulevard, where the first black MP in Canada lived (Linc). I thought that would perhaps buy you heritage interest, but I guess not...

I'm going to guess this list will contain lots of 'head scratchers'.

Formally designating a property under the Ontario Heritage Act is a fairly involved process, requiring many hours of research by volunteers and City staff, reports, ecommendations to Council, etc. So that undesignated heritage properties don't get overlooked or fall through the cracks, the Act allows the municipality to maintain a less rigourously researched and less formal inventory or register of properties of interest. It functions as a list of potential candidates for more research/designation, and often serves as a red flag to City planning staff when making planning/redevelopment decisions. Most of the listed properties probably won't ever make it to the designation stage, and there is no legal encumbrance on the owner.(In fact, I see from the map that my home is included, of which I was unaware.) Some probably get included because they are part of an historically important neighborhood or district, and might be dropped from the list once building by building research is done. Oh, and citizens can propose that a building be designated. Linc's birthplace would be a very worthy historic marker!

Funny...on a street filled with red dots, mine and my neighbour's are the ONLY ones NOT listed :D

Linc wasn't born in Hamilton, he was born on Draper Street in Toronto. Off Front Street, between Spadina & Bathurst, that whole street has markers.

I'm happy to have my knowledge of a great public figure enhanced, but my point remains. Any citizen could nominate his home for designation.

I getch ya. I just didn't want people to think I was saying Linc was born on Proctor.

St Clair is a designated heritage preservation district so this may explain why all the homes are listed. Neighbouring streets are not in the historic district.

Kind of my point. Designated for really no reason, other than it's a double wide street with a nice wide boulevard.

Excerpted from the "reasons for designation":

...(its) period design homes, wide tree lined avenue and centre landscaped boulevard reflect the influence of the "City Beautiful Movement" on early 20th century residential development...

So the boulevard is part of the reason, but not the only reason. BTW, a building or district doesn't have to be grand to be considered for designation. My house is a very plain, smallish house c.1890, but is of interest because it represents the lifestyle of the Irish railway workers who lived in Corktown.

I've made some minor change for my street/neighbourhood;

its) period design homes, tree lined avenue reflect the influence of the "American Four Square" architectural movement on early 20th century residential development...

So large swaths of the historic city could be named. :)

Yes, there's a lot of interesting buildings and neighborhoods in old Hamilton and its suburbs.If you are really interested, the Ontario Ministry of Tourism & Culture has an excellent (free!) publication called "The Ontario Heritage Toolkit". I believe it's also on-line. There is a very well written and easy to understand explanation of the whole designation process.

Thanks Joey. Indeed, a great beginning.

The City's listing of properties which have been formally "designated" provides a lot of very interesting information about each property. It will make a good addition to/expansion of the work you are doing.

My heartfelt thanks to all of the people who are investing their time and energy helping to make City data available and useful.

The pdf version of the inventory at http://www.hamilton.ca/CityDepartments/P... explains some of the criteria used: "The new City inventory comprises all those heritage features previously identified and documented by the former municipalities that now comprise the City of Hamilton as follows: • Town of Ancaster (Untitled collection of research reports prepared for the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee, 1976-1985), • Town of Dundas (Inventory of Buildings of Architectural and Historical Significance in Dundas, January 1996), • Town of Flamborough (Flamborough LACAC Building Survey, 1982 and LocaI Architectual Conservation Advisory Committee, 1991, Historic Building Survey of The Town of Flamborough), • Township of Glanbrook (Comprehensive Historical Inventory, September, 1984), • City of Hamilton (Inventory of Buildings of Architectural and Historical Interest, December 2000 and Inventory of Cultural Heritage Landscapes, March 1999) and • the City of Stoney Creek (Potential Sites of Historical and/or Architectural Value, May 2000). There will be additions to the inventory as survey work continues over the coming years. The inventory is not to be considered as a flxed or complete list. It will be reviewed and updated on a regular basis in order to include additional heritage features and to document or note any features that may have been destroyed."

It's interesting because my home is on this list and I don't know why. What do we have to do to find out what made our house qualify to be on the list?

I was told that the origin of the city's list of historical homes was that they paid a summer student to walk around the neighbourhoods and write down the addresses of any homes that looked to be of a certain age. The reason some of the more northern neighbourhoods are underrepresented is that the student didn't get there before the summer ended. I'd have thought they could have simply run a filter through the land registry to see any houses built before an arbitrary date, say 1913 since that's 100 years ago, but perhaps that information is not available for this purpose, or is inaccurate. I know a lot of homes have 1891 as their build year because that's the year the city renumbered a a lot of streets, and therefore the year those addresses appear on the city register, so if you've been told that year for your house, get to the city directories at the library and see what address the people in your house in 1891 lived at in 1890 and you might be able to trace your house back 30 or more years before that. This all said, you do NOT want your house to be officially designated as historical, or else you'll be responsible to up to three levels of government to get approval for any and all modifications, and depending how historical they designate you, they will demand all repairs be done using historically accurate methods and materials, often making any required project cost thousands or tens of thousands more than it would have otherwise. These requirements are sometimes the root of the dilapidation of historical buildings, because owners cannot afford to make the renovations as outlined by committees that make expensive demands of the owners, but in turn offer no assistance in doing so, as although there are some interest free loans and grants available, they are almost impossible to actually actually get.